Ten gets you twenty it was a false flag operation. Kirk was a well-known fascist mouthpiece but a nobody in the great scheme of things; perfect individual to use to create a martyr and open the door to the next chapter of the Nazi Playbook.
Yep. Now we get to see if a) the Nazis try to claim the shooter was trans, and b) if the shooter is ever found. I suspect if the latter, the shooter will be conveniently killed, but an investigation into their background will reveal they're also a Nazi.
Charlie Kirk said of gun deaths on April 5, 2023, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Oh.
. . .
Well, OK, then.
You don't have to ask Charlie Kirk's widow what her opinion of that is. You already know.
Don't you?
I'm not saying Charlie Kirk got what he deserved, I don't know what anyone deserves. I'm just pointing out the irony, and that when all this has calmed down, all the politicians need to go in to Congress and think not only of this, but think also of the assault weapon killings. Start there. Start somewhere. That's their job.
PS: With respect to Charlie Kirk's statement that we need the Second Amendment to protect our God-given rights, please tell me when, where and under what circumstances have you have ever heard of any American citizen having taken up his arms and gone out and used them to protect what he thought are America's God-given rights? You have? Tell me what happened to them. Were they arrested? Tried? Executed? e.g. Timothy McVeigh, Oklahoma City bomber, executed. Ted Kaczynski, Unibomber, life imprisonment. I could make a very long list. We the people don't individually use the guns we want to keep to protect anyone or anything. We can't. It's illegal. What we say is, that you cannot take the law into your own hands. We have law enforcement for that. That's their job. It's not my job. It's against the law for you to do that except in one narrow instance, and that is to protect your own life or the life of another person. That's it, and if you think that all you have to do is claim that's what you were doing and you can walk away from something like that, buddy you've got another think coming. Ask a trial lawyer how easy he or she thinks it is to establish the defense of self-defense in a court of law.
If people would only think about the things they say, they'd see they often don't really mean the things they say. Back in the day there were bumper stickers that read: 'Caution. Engage brain before putting mouth in gear.'
Let us not become inured to the daily onslaught of stories like this...they are meant to wear us down, make us feel like giving up. But no. Do not give up. Be a better person than you were yesterday. Learn to forgive the frequencies and vibrations of hate as you keep moving in the light. Trust the good writers (who are also good thinkers), like Jessica. Thank you.
Goebbels turned Horst Wessel, a murderous Nazi thug, hoist by his own petard, into saint. You’re right Jessica. It’s bye bye, Epstein. Hello Saint Charlie.
Dus to the Byzantine levels of intrigue in politics in our recent history, I can't help but wonder if this wasn't some type of "black ops" job. A super secret operation to take out a very animated mouthpiece but someone who really wasn't that important in the grand scheme, but visible enough to create a martyr and set the stage for the next round of repression.
Perhaps it will be 'traced' to a Democrat and will serve as an impetus to 'neutralize' that element in politics.
I've read articles that have stated that several high ranking military figures have said they had not sworn an oath to protect the president but to the Constitution. Ever since Regan I've seen what would normally be the center of politics shift to the right with each succeeding Republican administration. I do admire the Republican party presenting a unified front while Democrats squabble among themselves over what are really quite minor points of minutiae. It astonishes me every time that general polls among citizens favor a more liberal agenda, but we keep electing Republicans. I'm in despair over the prospect of becoming a 'Christian' nation. I'm not 'religious' in the current definition of that word. I believe you're a good person or you're not; 'Christians' may spout Jesus's name but have totally abandoned all of the tenants if that faith. Jesus preached love and inclusion of for ALL, preached helping the poor and the sick, condemned the rich for hoarding their wealth. Jesus was a radical liberal, he was everything that current so called 'Christians' hate and condemn about who they call 'libtards' They are hypocrites of the highest order.
This started out as one subject buf morphed along the way here; I hope I haven't bored anyone with my rant. I see so much that's just wrong with the order of priorities im the world. We could be so much better than we are, but for fear of the unknown.
Please explain. If you tell me it's right in front of me if I only looked, that throws the mantle of idiocy back on you. So please, go ahead I'm looking forward to your intelligent, reasoned and coherent response.
Ten gets you twenty it was a false flag operation. Kirk was a well-known fascist mouthpiece but a nobody in the great scheme of things; perfect individual to use to create a martyr and open the door to the next chapter of the Nazi Playbook.
Damn, that was my IMMEDIATE thought as well.
We live in dangerous times.
It crossed my mind, and let's be honest, if it were the reverse, MAGA would be saying the exact same thing.
Yep. Now we get to see if a) the Nazis try to claim the shooter was trans, and b) if the shooter is ever found. I suspect if the latter, the shooter will be conveniently killed, but an investigation into their background will reveal they're also a Nazi.
Let’s pray the shooter was his jilted gay lover. Now that would confuse em.
Exactly what I said to my aunt. Just like the Reichstag fire in Germany.
Well said. I wrote a more poetic version I’ll post as a note in the morning.
Well done, you walked the "fine line" with aplomb and grace. As for me, I am reminded of Bette Davis's statement after Joan Crawford's death.
"You should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good. Joan Crawford is dead."
"Good".
But then, I have NEVER been a "nice" person.
Thanks, I wasn't planning to write about it tonight but the words just sorta came. They needed to get out.
Moms Mabley said it before Bette Davis. Still a great quote.
Well said.
Beautifully said.
Right.
Also right:
Charlie Kirk said of gun deaths on April 5, 2023, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Oh.
. . .
Well, OK, then.
You don't have to ask Charlie Kirk's widow what her opinion of that is. You already know.
Don't you?
I'm not saying Charlie Kirk got what he deserved, I don't know what anyone deserves. I'm just pointing out the irony, and that when all this has calmed down, all the politicians need to go in to Congress and think not only of this, but think also of the assault weapon killings. Start there. Start somewhere. That's their job.
PS: With respect to Charlie Kirk's statement that we need the Second Amendment to protect our God-given rights, please tell me when, where and under what circumstances have you have ever heard of any American citizen having taken up his arms and gone out and used them to protect what he thought are America's God-given rights? You have? Tell me what happened to them. Were they arrested? Tried? Executed? e.g. Timothy McVeigh, Oklahoma City bomber, executed. Ted Kaczynski, Unibomber, life imprisonment. I could make a very long list. We the people don't individually use the guns we want to keep to protect anyone or anything. We can't. It's illegal. What we say is, that you cannot take the law into your own hands. We have law enforcement for that. That's their job. It's not my job. It's against the law for you to do that except in one narrow instance, and that is to protect your own life or the life of another person. That's it, and if you think that all you have to do is claim that's what you were doing and you can walk away from something like that, buddy you've got another think coming. Ask a trial lawyer how easy he or she thinks it is to establish the defense of self-defense in a court of law.
If people would only think about the things they say, they'd see they often don't really mean the things they say. Back in the day there were bumper stickers that read: 'Caution. Engage brain before putting mouth in gear.'
Unfortunately, I think all Republicans will start with is scapegoating.
That's dark ...
Kirk was shot while answering a question from an audience member about mass shootings
Let us not become inured to the daily onslaught of stories like this...they are meant to wear us down, make us feel like giving up. But no. Do not give up. Be a better person than you were yesterday. Learn to forgive the frequencies and vibrations of hate as you keep moving in the light. Trust the good writers (who are also good thinkers), like Jessica. Thank you.
Peaceful opposition might not get them to listen to us.
Violent opposition definitely won't.
*Shrug*
What happens, happens.
Goebbels turned Horst Wessel, a murderous Nazi thug, hoist by his own petard, into saint. You’re right Jessica. It’s bye bye, Epstein. Hello Saint Charlie.
99% of political violence backfires.
Unfortunately, yep.
Well said. Truth.
Dus to the Byzantine levels of intrigue in politics in our recent history, I can't help but wonder if this wasn't some type of "black ops" job. A super secret operation to take out a very animated mouthpiece but someone who really wasn't that important in the grand scheme, but visible enough to create a martyr and set the stage for the next round of repression.
Perhaps it will be 'traced' to a Democrat and will serve as an impetus to 'neutralize' that element in politics.
I've read articles that have stated that several high ranking military figures have said they had not sworn an oath to protect the president but to the Constitution. Ever since Regan I've seen what would normally be the center of politics shift to the right with each succeeding Republican administration. I do admire the Republican party presenting a unified front while Democrats squabble among themselves over what are really quite minor points of minutiae. It astonishes me every time that general polls among citizens favor a more liberal agenda, but we keep electing Republicans. I'm in despair over the prospect of becoming a 'Christian' nation. I'm not 'religious' in the current definition of that word. I believe you're a good person or you're not; 'Christians' may spout Jesus's name but have totally abandoned all of the tenants if that faith. Jesus preached love and inclusion of for ALL, preached helping the poor and the sick, condemned the rich for hoarding their wealth. Jesus was a radical liberal, he was everything that current so called 'Christians' hate and condemn about who they call 'libtards' They are hypocrites of the highest order.
This started out as one subject buf morphed along the way here; I hope I haven't bored anyone with my rant. I see so much that's just wrong with the order of priorities im the world. We could be so much better than we are, but for fear of the unknown.
Rant over, flame off...for now
You're a fucking idiot
Please explain. If you tell me it's right in front of me if I only looked, that throws the mantle of idiocy back on you. So please, go ahead I'm looking forward to your intelligent, reasoned and coherent response.
Yours is the best comment I’ve read on this.
It’s up to all of us to keep Epstein front & center.
Unfortunately shootings like this just turns these hate filled people into martyrs, fuelling even more hate.
This is like the 4thbpolitical assassination in the US this year. This is beyond insanity, it is imperial decline in real time.
The rest of the world is still telling from IDF’s illegal assault on Qatar and this rolls around. Have you guys gone completely nuts?